Dean Brierly interviews the men and women who are shaping the parameters of photography — from old school to new generation, traditional to cutting edge.
Monday, June 25, 2012
Magnus Stark: Worlds Within Magnus Stark's visual
explorations have taken him in two quite different directions. As a commercial
architectural photographer based in Los Angeles, he creates tightly controlled,
classically balanced compositions that follow all the rules. But
when he unleashes his fine art instincts, the rulebook goes out the window, and
Stark finds himself exploring the medium’s outer limits. This propensity for
pushing an image to the extreme finds its most potent expression in Stark’s
“Alchemy” series. Begun in the mid-1990s, this work channels subliminal
impulses in order to effect a singular and disquieting transformation of his
subject matter. Courting the element of chance has helped him find heretofore
unseen doors that open onto unclaimed worlds of enigmatic beauty.
Magnus Stark
When did you start taking photographs, and what drew you to the medium?
In the late sixties as a young lad in Sweden I received a plastic Diana camera in the mail. I managed to shoot two rolls before the camera melted in the rear window of my parents' Saab. Later, as a teenager, I came across photographs by Edward Weston and Duane Michaels, and I realized there were many ways to create interesting images. After learning the basics of processing and printing in my father's darkroom, I was intrigued by the craft of photography. Seeing the image develop was magical, and the possibilities to manipulate the print appealed to me. At this time I was also very intrigued by Ingmar Bergman's films, which were all the rage in Sweden. Mainly the cinematography moved me and got me looking at how the lighting really affected image, mood and storytelling.
Did your environment influence your creative development?
Not so much early on, but both my father and grandfather were serious hobby photographers, so there was equipment around and lots of glass plates and prints to enjoy. At the time there was only one serious photography gallery in Sweden, which I would visit every time I was in Stockholm. My main source of inspiration at this time was from French, German and American photo magazines.
Did you have formal training, or were you self-taught?
I learned the basic techniques myself with some help from my father and friends. Later, as far as lighting and composition, etc., I learned by assisting other photographers and especially from processing and printing other photographers' images while working in some great labs in San Francisco and Los Angeles. In college I studied TV production and filmmaking, which also helped on the technical side of things.
What drew you to architectural photography? I thought buildings would be less trouble than models. [laughs] Seriously, while living in San Francisco I had an opportunity to work as an assistant to a great architectural photographer, and came to enjoy the technical challenges of this genre. I like problem solving, working with location lighting and large-format cameras, but most of all the fact that architects understand and appreciate the effort that goes into creating a great architectural photograph.
Alchemy is about seeing deeply and about transformation. I wanted to try and create something new that I had not seen before, something that would surprise myself and hopefully viewers would be surprised at their reactions to these images and maybe learn something about themselves. I wanted to explore the fringes of photography and in doing so see what would happen if I went on a technical and creative alchemical journey. Having been interested in the surrealist movement and their amazing art made me want to try and incorporate the unconscious in my photography. Over the years I have developed my own variation of automatist techniques used by others in the past.
Are these straight images, or are they manipulated in any way?
They start out as a piece of black-and-white 4x5 film which is subjected to my personal alchemical recipe. I like to think of the process as distillation. I work with the image and wait. I watch and discover what can be revealed. Just like karma, many things will influence the image, but at a certain point in the journey, the image is fixed with my scanner. I then post-produce the image and output on rag paper on an inkjet printer. I apply the toning in Photoshop.
I started this series in the mid-1990s. Since then I have worked on it off and on, and with new technology have been able to finalize the images and output prints that I am happy with.
What is the "parallel universe" you reference in your artist statement? Are you speaking in visual, emotional or metaphysical terms? Or all three, perhaps?
All three. When you meditate you are able to cross over into another, greater universe. You can see things differently. New insights lead to new images which lead to new insights.
Are you consciously trying to evoke a particular mood with this work?
Yes. However, I have no control over the mood in each piece. Some come out warm and inviting, some are more ominous. Of course, this is up to each individual viewer to experience.
The images resonate with various kinds of visual tension. They might be organic, they might be metallic. There's a sense of decay and corrosion, yet also the suggestion of strange, amoeba-like life forms. How deliberate are these dynamics? Or are the images more intuitive?
The massaging of the images is really based on an intuitive reaction to the subject matter. The subject matter is latent inside the images. Sometimes it comes out representing the really big, sometimes the really small, and on a good day both.
You've also referenced the passing of time, which the visual corrosion accentuates. By extension, is the corrosion intended perhaps as comment on the impermanence of manmade objects and structures?
It has more to do with the fact that some of these images are "exposed" for hours, days or sometimes weeks. Also, in some of them there seems to be an ambiguous time and place. It is difficult to tell if they come from light years away in space or this morning from a petri dish.
The subtle color changes also suggest a kind of organic transformation. Is this intentional, or happy accident?
It is all a "happy" accident.
For me, these images also project a science fiction resonance — as if they were details of topographical maps from a far-flung alien planet.
Agreed. The very first image I created looked like an aerial view of a planet landscape — or maybe it was the torn veil separating the known from the unknown in the hero's journey?
What kinds of reactions do these works elicit compared to your other fine art series?
It seems that the reaction is a lot more emotional and personal. I have received a lot of interesting feedback, which is very encouraging.
Does your architectural work in any way influence your personal work?
In some cases, yes, but with the Alchemy series my goal was to stay away from any rational thought or technique, and hope that images would appear more by chance, but with some importance and beauty.
Have you been influenced or inspired by any other photographers?
In the late 1970s I happened to see a show of Michael Kenna's early work, which still inspires me. I am also moved by the works of Eugene Atget and Man Ray.
(My profile of Magnus Stark appeared in issue 69 of B&W magazine. See more of his fascinating work at www.magnusstark.net.)
Friday, June 1, 2012
Paul Raphaelson: Urban Disjunction Paul
Raphaelson is something of a 21st century Timothy O’Sullivan,
although this Brooklyn-based photographer uses his camera to explore what might
be termed the “new urban wilderness” — that vague, undefined terrain where
decay and regeneration coexist in uneasy symbiosis. His work encompasses reportage,
geography, autobiography and metaphor, and it raises interesting questions
about the nature and identity of our cities. It’s about dead ends and new
beginnings, but challenges our assumptions about whether those two concepts are
antagonistic or compatible.
Paul Raphaelson
How did you happen to connect with photography?
I got into photography through climbing. I was jealous of college
friends who came back from the mountains with cool pictures — I wanted to look
cool too! That idea put a camera in my hands, but was short-lived. I discovered
it was hard enough just getting up and down without being artistic or
self-aggrandizing along the way. But I had the camera, and became obsessed with
it. I started looking at my parents’ books of Magnum photographers, whose work
I liked and wanted to emulate. So my first serious attempts were at street
photography.
What types of art inspire you?
Many kinds. I learn from music, film, literature. Contemporary
poetry has been especially interesting lately. That world has been inspiring me
more than the photographic one. I’m also interested in painting but have done a
bad job keeping up with it.
Do you feel an affinity with landscape photographers who preceded
you?
My most conscious affinity has been with the American early
modernists, like Weston, Strand and Stieglitz, and early documentarians like
Walker Evans and Dorothea Lange. My tastes were quite conservative and
backwards-looking when I first started out; I was in college and in my 20s,
studying old men from nearly a century earlier. It was a while before I started
noticing the late modernists, William Eggleston, Robert Adams and his followers
… work that more closely resembled what I was doing. I also look farther back,
to the 19th century survey photographers. Particularly Timothy O’Sullivan. He
figured out how to turn empty space into magic, and did it decades before
anyone even noticed. Lately I’ve become more interested in engaging the present
world than the history of the medium. Unfortunately, the work that I’ve seen
lately hasn’t inspired me much. Neither has my own recent work. But this has
actually been liberating; I feel little motivation either to copy anyone or to
keep doing what I’ve been doing.
Untitled from the Wilderness series.
Your website describes you as an artist who photographs the urban
and cultural landscape. How do you define the term ‘cultural landscape’?
I mean places that have been shaped substantially — though not
completely — by the activity of people. But really, since there’s so little
landscape left that we haven’t altered substantially (and this was true back in
Ansel’s day, even though we like to pretend otherwise), I’m referring at least
as much to how we look at the landscape. For example, what aspects we emphasize
or de-emphasize when photographing and editing. Am I going out of my way to
avoid the power lines, or do I consider them essential to the experience of the
place?
Your earliest work, the Chicago series, seems more firmly placed in
the urban documentary mode. Were you conscious of making a shift towards a more
landscape-oriented approach?
In college I took a landscape photography class from Edward Ranney.
It opened me to the subtleties of the genre. I still liked some of my earlier
street pictures, but I started to see many of them as easy, maybe even a bit
trite. It’s not hard to get a viewer’s attention by putting a person and some
action on a stage; this doesn’t necessarily mean that what you’re showing has
depth. I found it more challenging to engage people with subject matter to
which they have a less obvious or direct connection. That kind of challenge has
been important to me. I admire Eggleston for declaring war on the obvious. Not
to suggest that street photographs are intrinsically obvious — Eggleston’s
never are — but I found more un-obvious opportunities in landscape.
Untitled from the Wilderness series.
Can you describe the inspiration, or starting point, for the
Wilderness series?
I was drawn to run-down and overgrown places in part because they
were all around me. They also resonated with how I felt about life generally. I
was lost, going through a recession and the end of a long relationship. The fit
between my inner and outer worlds was hard to ignore. It’s funny; I didn’t
realize then that in spite of my hardened modernist rhetoric, my work had a romantic
streak — all that emotional metaphor, and that old trope of the majesty of
ruins. I’m ok with this now … I realize that a lot of my favorite modern art is
really romantic art that’s trying hard not to be. Stiegltz’s Equivalents?
Romantic as can be. But they fought against that identity. And that fight
somehow encourages more depth and subtlety than what I see in the more
indulgent romantic art from the 19th Century. Never mind that Stieglitz would
have punched me in the nose for saying this. Wallace Stevens said the same thing
about William Carlos Williams’ poetry, and I think he was right.
Did you seek out particular types of images, or did the images come
to you?
Some of both. I took most of the pictures within walking distance of
where I lived, both in Providence and in Brooklyn. The work reflects what my
world looked like, what I passed through every day. Familiarity has always
intensified my photographic curiosity. But I had some guiding ideas. These were
sparked by elements from my older pictures that I kept returning to. And as the
project matured, so did my sense of what I wanted to explore next.
Untitled from the Wilderness series.
Is the Wilderness work more about urban decay, or the resilience of
nature, or a more or less equal balance of the two?
That’s a question I liked never having to address. There were always
so many examples of both qualities in the places I photographed. Sometimes one
or the other would dominate, but the interactions between the live things and
crumbling things — physical or visual or metaphorical — were usually the
interesting part.
What does the work say about the way we perceive our surroundings,
urban and otherwise?
I like drawing attention to things that go unnoticed. Whether or not
we’re in the built environment, the way we see the world is shaped by habits,
which often get handed to us. Some of our most basic ideas about what’s worth
noticing, like “scenery” and “landscape,” are cultural inventions. They
represent values that we inherit but rarely challenge. But they do change, so
we know they’re not immanent. Europeans once thought mountains were hideous!
They were examples of God’s wrath, and didn’t show up in pretty pictures. Just
as empty lots aren’t scenery for most of us today. We’re in the habit of tuning
them out on the assumption that they're ugly or uninteresting.
Untitled from the Wilderness series.
I want to show that they can be beautiful — if you stop and really
look. I try to encourage this through all the formal tricks of picture making,
but really the most basic role of a photographer is pointing. By putting a
picture on the wall, you’re saying, “look at this.” That’s not much of a
superpower, but it can be an effective one if you wield it carefully. Now,
obviously, I’m not the first person to find this stuff interesting or to point
to it. The deeper questions are about how and why it’s interesting. What,
specifically, is being explored by a particular picture or sequence of
pictures. I’ll leave those questions to someone who isn’t me.
Does this work have positive or negative resonance for you? (Another
way of asking whether your take on the modern cityscape is affirmative or
pessimistic.)
Mostly positive. But this is in part because the work played a
transformative role for me. I used it to make something positive out of a time
and place that felt bleak. My hope is that it can play a similar role for
others. If landscape art serves any purpose at all, then its highest one may be
to enrich people’s relationship with their own corner of the world.
Does it have spiritual connotations for you?
Once upon a time I might have said yes, but not anymore. I don’t
feel the need to invoke magical thinking to explain my sense of mystery or awe
or anything else that resists easy understanding.
Untitled from the Wilderness series.
I meant spiritual in a secular, not religious sense.
If spiritual includes anything that’s not of the material world, then I
suppose it could include metaphor. That’s a subject I think about a lot in
relation to this work. And it’s one area where the discourse might be richer in
the visual arts than the literary ones; writers can fixate on the
technicalities of figures of speech (is it a metaphor or a metonym?), but I’m
interested in the concept broadly. I like that it comes from the Greek metapherein,
which simply means transference. Like when Minor White said that a photograph
is about what the subject is, and also what else it is: He’s not concerning
himself with syntax or mechanics. And he’s describing something richer than the
simple binary relationships of symbolism. I actually wish he’d said, “what it
is, and what else it is, and what else it is, and what else it is …” Some of
those “what elses” rumble too far below the surface to talk about. But they’re
powerful. I think that’s central to the beauty of great art — the
mysteriousness of its hold on you.
To what degree, if any, does the Wilderness series have a political undertone? Well, I don't think it's possible to photograph anything that we'd call a cultural landscape without producing political undertones and overtones. So much about how we interact with our environment is political. But my emphasis wasn't there. I wasn't thinking primarily of political concerns, nor was I thinking rhetorically at all. I've approached this as a personal project first, and a documentary project maybe a distant second. As Lee Friedlander said, photography is a generous medium. For better or worse, it tends to give you much more than you're looking for. And often more than you understand. The political element might be more central to my more recent work.
Untitled from the Wilderness series.
It’s very true what you say about photography giving you more than
you’re looking for (although sometimes it gives you less if you’re not on your
game). Photography is kind of a high-wire act, isn’t it? I suppose all art is
to a certain degree, but photography seems to really embody this.
Sure. You grab big pieces of the world, with detail finer than you can
see, in the literal blink of an eye. It’s hubris to think you’re in control.
You’re doing well if you just stay on the horse! I love that aspect of
photography — how you go from confronting chaos while taking pictures, to the
measured tinkering of the darkroom or computer, to the more heady process of
editing and trying to form a cohesive whole.
I’m wondering if that’s another reason you continue to utilize it as
medium of creative expression.
Absolutely. It helps get me out of my head and into the world, where I
can be spontaneous and intuitive. Then it gets me into my tools, where I can be
obsessive, and then back to the world of ideas.
Untitled from the Lost Spaces, Found Gardens series.
Why did you shift to color for Lost Spaces, Found Gardens?
I’d been interested in color for a while, but the cost held me back:
4x5 color film and processing cost ten times what I’d been paying for black and
white, which I processed myself. Without a benefactor, I didn’t see how to be
playful and experimental and to learn anything without going broke — besides
going back to my 35mm camera, which didn’t seem right for the project. So I
found a middle path: I borrowed an old Hasselblad and scanned the film. It
worked pretty well.
Were there thematic reasons as well as the fact that improvements in
digital technology made using color more feasible from a technical perspective?
My reasons were more formal than thematic; I started seeing color
relationships and not just tonal ones.
A color image has a completely different resonance from a black-and-white
photo of the same subject matter. Color shifts emphasis to different areas of
the print, changes the emotional tonality, etc. Was there something specific
you hoped to gain from using color for the Lost Spaces series?
Well, I hoped to do something with those color relationships I’d been
noticing. And I wanted to do something different from my old work — anything.
I’d worked on the Wilderness pictures for so long, I was afraid I’d never be
able to do anything else. When it felt like time to pick up a camera again, I
needed to prove I could learn new tricks. Color was one. So was the square
format, and so was doing some of the work handheld. I don’t mean that I thought
of the project as an exercise, but it served that purpose at a time when I
needed it.
Untitled from the Lost Spaces, Found Gardens series.
Conversely, would the Wilderness series have worked as well had it been
shot in color?
It would have been a completely different project. More than anything
else I’ve done, that work depended on the materials and on looking a certain
way.
There’s an old divide between photographs that try to be transparent,
like windows that you look through, and ones that try to draw attention to
themselves, like paintings, as tactile objects. I wanted the Wilderness
pictures to be objects — “events on the page,” to borrow a phrase from poets. I
wanted to create tension between the rough subject matter and polished prints.
The intrinsic abstraction of black and white contributed to this, as did the
richness of the particular papers and techniques I chose.
The Lost Spaces images are thematically related to the Wilderness
series, although it seems like there’s a more pronounced emphasis on the grass,
flowers and weeds.
I was forced to move from my old waterfront neighborhood to one
that’s less scenic — ok, there’s that prejudicial idea again. The new
neighborhood isn’t actually less scenic, it’s just different, and it took me a
while to figure out what I was interested in looking at. I no longer had the
big landscapes of factories and suspension bridges, so I had look more closely.
What I found was like landscape in microcosm: grasses and weeds invading the
sidewalks, garden-like spaces cloistered behind cyclone fences. The themes are
similar, but the ways of looking are different.
We’re talking about your work in terms of urban landscapes, but you also
have this body of work on the southwest. Only with these pictures you achieve a
subtle inversion of the city imagery. Instead of nature intruding on the
concrete and steel environment, you focus on how man intrudes on the natural
landscape through his fences, his structures (commercial and residential), his
roadways, even his refuse. Did you consciously set out to effect this
inside-out vision?
It didn’t occur to me that I was inverting anything. I was trying to see
if what I’d learned about putting a picture together in the city could work in
such a different place. It was also a kind of homecoming, since my earliest
work came from the mountains and deserts.
Untitled from the Southwest series.
Have you ever shown this work in conjunction with the city imagery?
I haven’t shown it at all. There are individual images that I like, but
I don’t see it yet as a finished body of work. It doesn’t really have a shape.
But it’s interesting that you ask that. While taking those pictures, I wondered
if they’d comprise a new body of work or if they’d be part of the Wilderness
project. I kept it an open question. Now I’m skeptical about that possibility.
I kind of like the idea of a big, rambling series that raises questions all
over the place and barely holds together. But experience suggests that this
kind of thing confuses people. An editor once treated me like a slow child because
I’d put pictures of Providence next pictures of Brooklyn.
I think I find this work even more poignant somehow. It’s not enough
that we create inhospitable, sterile urban environments; we have to leave our
marks on the wide-open spaces between cities, too.
This is true, but it’s also well-trodden territory artistically. Guys
like Robert Adams and Lewis Baltz were making iconic pictures of our messes in
the West back when I was in diapers. Adams especially; he developed a whole
visual and ideological vocabulary. So here’s a case where I feel I have to do a
lot more than point. I want to bring something fresh to the party. And there
may be something fresh, but it’s still nascent. I don’t know if I can
articulate it yet.
Regarding your switch from street pictures to landscape, do you now
avoid photographing people entirely? Do you find their metaphorical
representation more evocative than a literal depiction?
I’m going to try not to psychoanalyze myself, even though its been said
this is what critics do for a living. The Wilderness work had a lot to do with
loneliness. It felt right to banish people from the landscape. And I was
immersed in that project for a long time, so barrenness became a kind of habit.
Meanwhile my people-picture skills withered. And those are definitely a
different set of skills — people move around more than trees and fences. They
also express opinions about how they want to be photographed. Anyway, some day
I’d like to learn how to photograph people again. I like people. Really.
Untitled from the Southwest series.
Do you enjoy other photographers’ street pictures? What kind of
photography do you like, outside of landscape?
I’m crazy about Kertesz and Robert Frank and Lee Friedlander. And
Winogrand, at least before his photography devolved into a nervous tic. And I
like good portraiture. I think it’s rare, and it fascinates me in part because
I don’t know how to do it. Julia Margaret Cameron’s portraits still give me
chills.
What are you working on now? Is it a continuation or development of
your previous bodies of work?
My latest work is about the interaction of images and text. I like
words as much as I like pictures, but I’ve never found art that combines the two
in a way that I like. There’s always been a clash, or a redundancy, or a
triteness, or a dominance of one medium over the other. Or in some cases the
words (and even ideas) are just used decoratively. This has become a puzzle for
me … how can I get words and pictures to work together naturally, like words
and music? I have a lot of ideas, and for better or worse most of them are less
straightforward than pop songs. But it’s been an interesting project. I’m
having an easier time getting words and pictures to work against each other
than with each other, if that makes any sense. There’s going to be an element
of satire, of mock-criticism and disjunct. But I want it to be serious overall.
Untitled from the Southwest series.
(You can spend more time with Raphaelson’s thought-provoking
work at www.paulraphaelson.com)